Friday, February 24, 2012
I have looked on all the raw feeding websites but cant actually find lists of foods. I read dogs shouldn't have raw trout or beef that comes from feedlots?? so can someone write a list of raw foods that dogs CAN have. Thanks
AND BEFORE ANYONE TELLS ME RAW FEEDING IS BAD, DONT WASTE YOUR TIME. Im asking raw feeders evidence not your opinions on raw feeding.|||Chicken is pretty much the staple because it has most (not necessarily all) of the nutrition they need, it's inexpensive on the commercial market (compared to beef, lamb, pork, rabbit, turkey, duck fish etc), and the dog can eat it all. The main thing to watch out for with commercial chicken is the cheapest ones are often pumped with salt water to make them weigh more. The label will say, "enhanced with up to 12% chicken broth." The nutrition facts label will also show that it has more than a couple hundred milligrams of sodium per serving. Your dog doesn't need the extra salt and the cost savings is minimal because of the water weight. I feed whole chickens minus the breasts (which my family eats). The dog can eat everything (skin, giblets, raw bones, and all the meat). The smallest dogs (<15 lbs) might have trouble with the drumstick bones. I feed turkey to my dog when it's inexpensive. In November it's easy to get whole turkeys for $0.99/lb, and last December we found left over birds selling for $0.45/lb!
I feed farm-raised trout and feedlot fed beef too. There's nothing wrong with it but some people might speculate that it lacks some of the amino acids that wild fish and grass-fed beef would have. That's plausible and the solution is to feed a supplement like wild Salmon oil that has the amino acids. The main reason I limit trout and beef is because of the cost.
I try to buy my commercial-market sourced meats for the dog below $3.00 a pound because my dog eats about 60-65 pounds a month. I can buy good quality chicken at $0.99/lb (if it goes on sale for $0.75 I fill the freezer) but the other meats get more expensive. Still, there are good beef organ meats at a reasonable price. I get beef liver, a great source of biotin, for $1.29/lb. I also get beef kidneys for the same price. I can get some big boney cuts for about $1.89/lb which I give as "recreational" bones. The bones are too big to break or swallow but the dog can chew the meat off and suck on the bone and marrow for hours. Occasionally my dog will get ground beef if some of ours gets old before we cook it.
I would love to feed oxtail but it's too costly here. We use it for soup for the family but the dog only gets to admire the aroma.
Fish is expensive in our state because it's all imported. Occasionally I feed a can of mackerel or sardines but those are cooked fish. I've fed raw farmed trout when it was cheap. I'll be able to catch wild trout this summer. Ocean fish are probably the best if you can get it at a reasonable price or catch it yourself.
Commercial markets for lamb, pork, duck and rabbit are too expensive (>$5/lb) where I live but at some point I'll get out and shoot some rabbits for my dog. We've got lots of jack rabbits and cottontail around here. I can hunt duck too but it's a little more competitive (it's getting to be for the elite) -- same goes for deer. Other varmints make good meat too: squirrel, possum, coons. Just make sure they're not diseased or poisoned. I don't have a sporting dog but if I did you can bet he'd be working for his diner. Around here you can shoot quail and chukar to the limit. If you get snakes like some fat rattlers, those are good too. It's too cold for them around here though.
An easy way to feed a smaller bird after you shoot it is to split the skin down the breast and cut the neck inside the skin. Then huck the carcass out of the skin. You loose the skin with all the feathers but it goes a lot quicker than plucking. This way you can dress pigeon, dove, quail real quick.
Some folks feed a little alfalfa, kelp, or chopped up fruits and vegatables but others don't. I feed about half a cup a day.
I mentioned the Salmon oil supplement earlier. I also supplement vitamin E because it goes with the higher levels of amino (fatty) acids to both preserve the fat and to prevent a deficiency in the body. If you don't feed supplemental fats, supplemental vitamin E is probably not necessary.
I may also feed other supplemental vitamins but they are not necessary if the diet provides them. I use a supplement that has a known calcium:phosphorous ratio (using tricalcium phosphate). I can use that to bump up calcium if I'm feeding a meat that is higher in phosphorous but lacks calcium rich bones (like beef liver, kidney, ground beef etc).
Sometimes I feed yogurt or a supplement with lactic acid producing bacteria.
My dog gets commercial dog treats (like Zuke's mini-naturals) as well as hot dogs and cheese for treats.
Obviously different people have different goals for feeding their dog. Some people have a religion about it, some are just really enthusiastic about health foods and natural cures, I'm sure still others do it "for the environment." I don't impose my morality or superstitions on my dog. I would let my kids eat McDonalds too, even if I knew it was dead for more than 24 hours. Kind of my reason for feeding my dog raw and my kids better than McDonalds is because we have something better to eat and we enjoy it more, that's all.|||It's easier to say what is not safe. Large fish and sharks are too high in mercury and IMO tuna is also. Out of the fish, wild alaskan salmon, wild caught sardines, and wild caught smelt are the ones most raw feeders I know and myself feed. Tilapia is another popular one fed that I know.
For mammals, the weight baring bones of large mammals such as beef and bison are tooth risks because they are so dense and shouldn't be fed.
No bone that isn't covered in meat should be fed.
Bear shouldn't be fed because they carry a parasite called trichanosis.
I don't believe in feeding any mammal that is a carnivore.
Be careful of OLD large bird bones, they tend to be brittle and shard.
Of course, organic or pasture raised beef or other animals will be more nutritous and exposed to less disease and chemicals, but factory farmed meats are fed by many raw feeders. (oh and don't buy ground meat unless it is organic because ground meat uses many chemicals)
Other than that, the sky (or farm or wild game) is the limit!
These are some examples of the raw food I ordered in the last few months:
1. bison and beef trachea and gullet
2. whole rabbit with fur (yep they eat the fur)
3. meaty turkey backs
4. chicken necks (these are very small and may not be good for medium or large dogs because they are small enough to be swallowed without chewing)
5. beef organs- liver, kidney, pancreas and spleen
6. beef and chicken hearts
7. beef tripe
8. lamb legs
9. pork shoulder
10. wild caught whole smelt
About risk of bacteria:
http://rawfed.com/myths/bacteria.html|||This website will give you a list for adults and for puppies. It even has a daily menu below the list.
There is other info on the site as well but if you just click on the Adult or Puppy diet there is a list.
You should also read about supplements that are listed.
http://www.diamondpaws.com/health/barf.h鈥?/a>|||My dogs eat chicken, pork, beef, fish, venison, moose, turkey, quail, etc... as many different types of meat that you can think of, your dog can eat. Join the yahoo raw feeding group- there are lots of veterans on there with tons of advice.|||NO NEED TO YELL
Raw is great if you know what you are doing
There are books and websites on the subject.
Personally, I give my dog any raw meat (he's on dry kibble, but I will mix sometimes)....like chicken, beef, lamb, fish...|||Join this Yahoo group. http://www.pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/r鈥?/a>
These people will answer any question. They have years and years of raw feeding experience. If you like, they will even give you a mentor to help.|||Try Googleing BARF Diet.|||Nothing can be guaranteed as safe.
My personal rule is that it be intact meat (not ground) and have been dead for less than 24 hours. To do this I deal with a local butcher -- supermarkets and grocery stores will probably be of very little use to you. They typically don't know how long it's been dead, or where the meat came from.
Typically I aim for about a pound of food for every 10 pounds of weight for your dog. You're going to have to play with it for your particular dog's metabolism and activity levels. The general rule of thumb I use is 30% meat, 30% organ, 30% fruits and veggies and 5% fiber (oatmeal or canned pumpkin are my more common fiber sources) and 5% error room, and a squirt of some kind of fat (usually salmon oil).
For meat and organs, I use chicken, beef, turkey, bison, elk, venison, duck, and pheasant. I change it up quite a bit, depending on what in season. You'll find that different meats are available at different times of the year, for different prices. For veggies I use an assortment (depending on the season) of acorn squash, carrots, green beans, spinach, broccoli, tomatoes, quinoa, cabbage, cucumber, celery, apples, parsley, courgette/zucchini, blueberries, blackberries, strawberries, brown rice, and the occasional cantaloupe/musk melon as a special treat.
The trick to raw is fresh and variety, and this does mean stopping at the butcher on a daily or near daily basis, and weekly trips to the farmer's market.
No raw salmon! It can make your dog very, very ill. Dogs are uniquely susceptible to the effects of salmon with the parasite Nanophyetus salmincola. No onions, and a very minimal amount of garlic, they've been linked with anemia. No grapes or raisins, they've been linked with renal failure. Nothing with caffeine or chocolate (obviously). While dogs can eat most things we eat, they can't eat everything we eat.
If you don't want to prepare it yourself (or are pressed for time) there are raw foods that have been dried or that come frozen that I've had a great deal of luck with. By drying it, the enzymes remain intact, the food remains uncooked, and you don't have to worry about using the meat after it's been sitting too long. Addiction is my usual brand, though many of my friends have had good luck with Nature's Variety (which is a frozen product) and Steve's Real Food For Pets.
EDIT: Whops, forgot the bones. Bones I feed as separate from the meal, and typically use turkey necks with the vertebrae, or cow tails. I'll also use deer and elk antlers, and elk bones as they've got the least chance of splintering as my border collie is something of a power chewer.|||I've been feeding raw for years, I specialize in min pins and also have altered companion dogs, they all eat raw. The difference I see in their teeth is wonderful, also their coats are gleaming, but even more interesting is that they don't gain weight on raw meat. I do not feed any grain or vegetables at all, dogs are carnivores not vegetarians or omnivores (although some of mine would eat anything). I buy from either a meat market or the butcher and sometimes publix has good sales on chicken. I feed all parts of the chicken, also turkey, pork ribs, pork neck bones, beef ribs, beef heart, pork heart, liver, chicken gizzards, chicken hearts, chicken necks, turkey necks, turkey legs, and wings etc. Remember it is important to feed the bones, this is were the calcium comes from, as long as they are not cooked, they will not splinter. I have found that for me it is cheaper to feed raw than a quality commercial food. Another thing I enjoy about feeding raw, in the past when I did feed dry, the dogs would just inhale their food and then want more never seeming satisfied, give a raw chicken leg to a min pin and they will be chewing and gnawing for about 30 minutes, so they are enjoying the food and at the same time massaging their gums and cleaning their teeth. Since this is raw meat I do wear gloves, my house pets eat outside on the porch, my kennel dogs eat in their own crates and I wipe them out each day with a bleach solution.|||Raw meat lets the dog live longer nad be healthier!!!
I would feed the dog Chicken tenderloins.But not chicken liver|||You need to read the section on Bacteria, Viruses, and Parasites and the one on Zoonotic risks. This is not my opinion it is facts and it has been referenced if you want to research further. If you honestly care about your dog you will look into the risks instead of blinding yourself by the so called "benefits" that everyone claims a RAW diet has. Don't be ignorant, be educated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_feeding
ADD: You obviously didn't read the article but jumped to conclusions. The first line even explains, "Raw feeding is the practice of feeding domestic dogs and cats a diet primarily of uncooked meat, edible bones, and organs." I don't see how you can come to a conclusion that it's about humans. It also discusses how dogs who contract bacteria from raw diets are prone to diarrhea which can dehydrate them and even lists that they have been fatal. As I've said you need to educate yourself on ALL aspects of it and not just the so called benefits . Otherwise you are ignoring potentially fatal aspects of it and putting your pets life at risk. This link also explains concerns.
http://www.avma.org/onlnews/javma/jan05/鈥?/a>
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